Monday, August 14, 2017

Wingnut Wrapup- Charlottesville Edition

I must say, I tried a couple of times the last few weeks to see if I shouldn't be writing another Wingnut Wrapup, but every time I quickly gave up, because what's the point in repeating what a bunch of right wing morons have to say, when our President is saying the same thing every day, and no one seems to care enough to shut him up?  But with the escalation of the right wing plan over the weekend, I think that it is important to see how these jackasses are going to try to rationalize away their ever-less-disguised hatred.  Ready or not, here we go:

Andrew Anglin, Daily Stormer, memorializing the victim of the white supremacist terror murder this weekend:  "She was Fat and a Drain on Society. Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value. 
Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work. 
Childless women are black hole vortexes of public money and energy. 
Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce. 
Having no children at that age, it can be assumed that she had multiple abortions, and was thus herself a child murderer."

Really, not much anyone could say about that which could make the guy look any worse, so we'll just move on.

Vanguard News Network:  "President Trump Says: Racism is Evil...I agree: why did the Jews have to invent racism and genocide?? Why are the Jews still trying to wipe out our White culture? Why do they hate us so much? (The answer is: “because we’re not Jews”).

See, racism is totally something the Jews do. This is the sort of thing that feeds the race haters that showed up in Charlottesville this weekend.  It will be interesting to see how far they can run on a diet of such pure hatred.  These people should really be exterminated like plague-bearing rats, in my opinion.

Alex Jones, Infowars:  "I’ve been to these events, a lot of the KKK guys with their hats off look like they’re from the cast of Seinfeld,” he said Sunday, as old footage of a KKK rally rolled behind him. “Look at them, they’re just Jewish actors. Nothing against Jews in general, but the leftist Jewish want to create this clash, so they go dress up as Nazis...I have footage in Austin — we’re going to find it somewhere here at the office — where it literally looks like cast of Seinfeld or like Howard Stern in a Nazi outfit. They all look like Howard Stern. They almost got like, the little curly hair down, and they’re just up there heil-ing Hitler. You can tell they are totally uncomfortable, they are totally scared, and it’s all just meant to create the clash.”

And of course, from one of the chief Sandy Hook deniers (and a valued source of information for our President,) waving the false flag as hard as he can.  I know it is the height of time-wasting to confront what Mr. Jones has to say with facts, but here are a couple of pictures of the fine Americans marching to preserve that statue of General Lee:

Notice anyone there that looks like Howard Stern? No?  I didn't think so.

Jay Syrmopoulos, Free Thought Project:  "Multiple High-Level U.S. Officials Publicly Warn of Govt Plot to Assassinate Trump"

Based, as usual, on the testimony of a bunch of people you never heard of, and twisting the words of real people mercilessly.  For example, Jay cites the following:

"former CIA Director John Brennan, while speaking at the Aspen Security Conference, noted that if the administration attempts to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, government officials should refuse to follow the orders of the president.

“I think it’s the obligation of some executive branch officials to refuse to carry that out. I would just hope that this is not going to be a partisan issue. That Republicans, Democrats are going to see that the future of this government is at stake and something needs to be done for the good of the future,” Brennan told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer at the Aspen Security Forum."

as evidence that the entire government is conspiring against Trump.  Just to note: when a traitorous tool of a foreign dictator attempts to destroy the country, it is not an evil aberration, but the responsibility of every government employee to do whatever they can to stop him, and see that he is punished appropriately for his treason.
Jeff Rense,  "Globalist McMaster Calls Soros-Promoted False Flag In Charlottesville A Terror Attack"

Catch that?  Actually, McMaster called the car attack and murder by a right wing maniac a terror attack; to Jeff Rense, this is an excuse to claim the attack was a false flag operation carried out by (Jewish) leftists, even thought the perpetrator had a years-long record of association with right wing causes and groups.  Expect to see a lot more of this in the coming years.

Mike Adams, Natural News:  "Why this all ends in civil war: Radical Left-wing fascism and intolerance meets right-wing nationalism and resistance"

See? Peaceful Progressive protesters are fascists, but actual, self-identified Nazis aren't.

Guy Benson, Town Hall:  "The Alt-Right does not, and must not, represent American conservatism."

Oh yes it does, buster.  People like you spent decades building this monstrosity, and this time around, you are not walking away from it the way you walked away from the damage that Reagan and Bush and Cheney and every other damned Republican in the last forty years worked around the clock to create.

PJ Media:  "MSNBC Contributor Says the Neo-Nazis Killed Someone 'on Behalf of President Trump'

And?  Got any objection to that?  Seems pretty right on to me.

Nicholas Ballasy, PJ Media:  "Purple Heart Recipient on Afghanistan War: 'You Can't' Fight Suicide Bombers"

How about people who drive their cars into peaceful protesters?  How do you fight them?  Hey, I've got an idea:  let's do it by not electing one of their leaders to be President.

Tyler O'Neal, PJ Media:  "In this particular case, the white nationalists were protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee...These people are being told that even this most defensible of all Confederate figures must be condemned in their cultural consciousness. Again, there is no excuse for the way they reacted, but perhaps this is a legitimate complaint.

Indeed, part of the tragedy of the situation is that by identifying as white supremacists in defending this statue, they have played into the narrative that only racists support these statues."

Only one thing wrong with this line of argument, Tyler:  It happens to be an obvious fact that only racists support these statues.  "The most defensible of all Confederate figures" spent years killing American soldiers in a treasonous war to support one of the great evils of human history.  I'm glad that Tyler knows that the rest of them were even worse.

"How can Americans break the cycle of tribalism? By championing the tenets of classical liberalism: that people have equal rights and dignity, that government should treat everyone equally, and that individuals acting freely and in peace can achieve the best good for the whole."

Too bad your people, Tyler; let me repeat here: your people will not admit that people have equal rights and dignity.  Run away from that truth and you are a racist yourself, and no better than the violent ugly jerks who go around with Nazi flags.

Jesse Lee Peterson, World Net Daily:  "CHARLOTTESVILLE, I TRIED TO WARN YOU...I have warned for more than 27 years that we are in a spiritual battle of good versus evil. White people are under attack – especially white, straight, conservative Christian men of power. The children of the lie hate them because they represent good. They love truth, freedom, responsibility, the values that make America great. 

Evil already wiped out black and Hispanic men – separated them from their families and deluded their thinking. Evil, too, has chipped away at whites, the last men standing in the way to stop evil from completely taking over America."

The guy who wrote this is a black man.  Some people of every kind will do any despicable thing if you pay them enough.

Earick Ward, American Thinker:  "Those who control the narrative control the truth.  Following Charlottesville, all must understand the broader context of current events – the conservative movement (not to be confused with media-created Alt-Right or white nationalists) desires the restoration of America's founding principles, as documented in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights. 

There is a counter-movement that seeks America's destruction and the imposition of a new covenant, predicated on the wisdom of man or, more particularly, a select group of men, who seek to manage the affairs of all man. "

The wisdom of man, or a select group of men.  You mean like this select group of men?

I'm just glad that Earick realizes which side in the United States today is really on the side of the Founding Fathers.  It's just stunning how un-self aware these guys are.

Franklin Graham, Newsmax:  "Shame on the politicians who are trying to push blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville, VA. That’s absurd. What about the politicians such as the city council who voted to remove a memorial that had been in place since 1924, regardless of the possible repercussions?"

What about those city council members who voted to remove a statue to a treasonous man who killed thousands of patriotic Americans in order to defend slavery?  Yeah, why didn't they balance that act of common decency against the likelihood that an American racist would kill some poor innocent girl to get back at them?  In fact, how dare anyone stand up to a pack of degenerate would-be Nazis?  After all, if you do, they might kill some more people, and that would be all your fault.

Franklin Graham's father was a viciouslly anti-Semitic scum, but God, he has nothing on his son:

"Really, this boils down to evil in people's hearts," Graham said. "Satan is behind it all. He wants division, he wants unrest, he wants violence and hatred. He's the enemy of peace and unity...Graham called on the nation to come together and turn to God."

Like, that has ever solved a problem like this, in the whole history of the human race.

Peter Hasson, Daily Caller:  "Far-left agitators are calling for an escalation in tactics following this weekend’s violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville."

Monsters.  Instead, they should all just go home and stay there until the alt-right guys show up to escort them into camps.

And an oldie but a goodie when things like this happen:

Connor Mighell, The Federalist:  "The ‘Alt-Right’ Aren’t On The Right, They’re Just Racists"

Why, of course they have nothing to do with us reasonable haters!  We won't run you down in the street, we will just see that you have no job, no home and no medical care, and then just let nature run its course.

Zachary Leeman, Popzettee:  "When violent protests broke out in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend, celebrities and artists had the opportunity to call for unity and sanity in a world in which people are digging their heels into extremist beliefs."

Unity with Nazis.  Interesting to see how that would play out.

Anyway, that should be plenty to see how far the right wing media have gotten in two days to blot out the obvious meaning of this weekend's events in Charlottesville.  They still haven't agreed on quite the narrative, but just give them a few more days, and that guy in the car will turn out to have been a hero.

Oh, and just one more comment:  If you think we on the left are going to stand around and let white supremacists and neo-Nazis beat and kill us, just to deny you the opportunity to scream that "both sides do it," you are crazy. Let's be clear about this: every person on earth knows who the good guys are when it comes down to Nazis versus the rest of us, and no amount of smearing and lying on your part can ever change that.


Bohdana said...

"Let's be clear about this: every person on earth knows who the good guys are"

Are you saying Stalin was a good guy?

I can introduce you to some Holodomor survivors who disagree.

Green Eagle said...

In World War II, Stalin was absolutely one of the good guys. The Soviet Union, under Stalin, won World War II, and sacrificed 20 million people in the process. More Soviet soldiers were killed in one day in the Battle of Kursk than died in the whole Normandy invasion. More people died in the siege of Leningrad alone than the number of Americans who died in all of World War II. In the United States, lunatic anti-Communism has covered every bit of this up, and people are taught that we won the war, although our sacrifice was a small part of what the Soviets suffered. The real center of the war was on the eastern front, in Hitler's attempt to exterminate the Slavs and steal their land. Even the North African campaign went all Germany's way until Hitler took all the good troops away from Rommel for his attack on Stalingrad; after that the allies crushed the Germans. But the war was won at Stalingrad and Kursk, and in the Russian push into Germany. I am sure you are capable of blotting all of that out in your memory, Bohdana, but it is the truth.

Magpie said...

There was a neo-Nazi rally here some months back, which ran up against counter-protesters. This was not about the traitorous human traffickers of the American south from 152 years ago, obviously, but about immigration. Scuffles broke out but no-one was seriously hurt. Nonetheless this was deemed sufficiently weird an event to be covered extensively by local media whom, with few exceptions, managed to engaged in unabashed both-siderism. The reasons for that I could speculate about, but it annoyed me no end, and is unpardonable whatever the reason.

That didn't happen regarding Charlottesville however, broadly speaking, with obvious exceptions like Fox News. Or at least that's how I/we have seen it. Your loathing of the media is well justified but for once - just for once - it did seem like a critical mass of people made leap of moral logic that says a protester opposing NAZIS and getting run over for it is not on the same moral plane as the Nazis themselves.

Re Stalin (why the hell are we talking about him?)... I would put it that the Russian people are most responsible (by far) for defeating Nazi Germany and suffered the most for it (also by far), but they did that because they were being invaded by a merciless foreign power advancing the vilest ideology the world has ever known - BAR NONE - and not for Stalin who was himself a monster.

Green Eagle said...

I have nothing good to say about Stalin in general, but living in the US as I do, it bothers me that the Soviet contribution to winning World War II was completely erased from American consciousness immediately after the war, to further the goals of the anti-Communist witch hunt in this country and the military contractors whose interests were really behind it all, and that there has never been a shred of movement back toward the truth. Not much I can do about that, but at least I can refuse to be silent about the incredible sacrifice they endured; and yes, as bad as Stalin was, it was under his leadership that it happened.

Grung_e_Gene said...

GE, since you've done the heavy lifting on the despicable right wing response I'm going to use your post, to highlight how deep the terrorist rot is into the conservative mainstream.

Green Eagle said...

Thanks. I don't think most people, even at this point, with the malignancy having seeped deeply into the White House itself, realize how much effort (and right wing money) goes into spreading this hatred. I first realized in the 1970's that it was the conscious, deliberate goal of the Republican party to reduce the United States to a fascist oligarchy, and have been accused countless times since of being essentially a paranoid schizophrenic for saying so. Hopefully, the truth is finally getting out, one person at a time.

Bohdana said...


I had relatives who lived in Ukraine in the 1930s and 1940s. Some of them saw Nazi occupation as an improvement. A few of them saw it as worse. Some didn't see Nazi occupation because Stalin and his Holodomor genocide killed them off.

Why you treat me like a moron?

Me? They're both bad guys. Hitler or Stalin is just like, you want death by the wheel or by the boats?

RussianBlueFan said...

Dear Green Eagle,

Bohdana is a Ukrainian name. Considering she knows Holodomor survivors, she is quite familiar with Ukrainian history.

Between 7 million and 10 million Ukrainians died during the Holodomor, a famine created by Stalin as a way to commit genocide against the Ukrainians. Bohdana never praised Hitler; she said that Stalin was not a good guy. When someone commits genocide against your ethnic group, I think you're entitled to say that the mass murderer is not a good guy. Bohdana's entitled to say that about Stalin.

Green Eagle, I think your analyses are generally good. However, you have a tendency to treat anyone who challenges you as a morally bankrupt idiot. Granted, some of them are morally bankrupt idiots (see Hans Adler), but you can't assume that about everyone. If Bohdana thinks that the Eastern Front was a batte between two paragons of evil, then you owe her an apology.

Green Eagle said...

1. Bohdana, I had relatives who lived in Eastern Europe too. They did not, however, make it to the 1930's, since, being Jews, they were all killed in pogroms by people like your relatives. We all have our grievances.

I treat you the way I do because I stated clearly that I regard Stalin as a thoroughly bad person in general. Why do you deny his role in leading his country to defeat the Nazis, which is obviously true? And why do you lie about me openly, in the face of my clear statements? I treat you not as a moron; I treat you as a very dishonest person.

2. RussianBlueFan, you do the same thing. I stated clearly that Stalin was bad. I also stated that he led his country to victory in World War II, against the most evil military in history, which is true. What I object to is not Bohdana claiming that Stalin is bad, but her claiming that I say that Stalin is good, which is a clear lie, contradicted by what I have said right here.

Gabija said...

"In World War II, Stalin was absolutely one of the good guys."

Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Stalin made it safe for Hitler to start WWII by invading Poland. By refusing to set up a two-front war, Stalin gave Hitler a free hand to invade and conquer Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France, and to launch the battle of Britain.

As the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact shows, Stalin did not fight against Germany out of any sense of goodness. Stalin did not join the Allies until the Nazis launched their invasion of the Soviet Union; the USSR had no choice but to fight Hitler then.

The Soviet Union did play the largest role in defeating Hitler, and the Soviet people did suffer from horrible losses. However, if Stalin hadn't made his secret deal with Hitler in August 1939, the War in Europe would have been over much sooner, and millions of people would have not have been killed in 1944 and 1945. Stalin shouldn't get any credit for cleaning up the mess he made in the first place. The Soviet people, yes, but the leader, no.

tl;dr - A firefighter is not a good guy for halting a fire if he was one of the arsonists who lit it.

Green Eagle said...

Gabija, may I tell you what I learned about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact when I was a graduate student at the University of Cambridge? This is one of those things which is common knowledge among the British upper classes and intelligentsia, but because it reflects so poorly on the English, it hasn't been featured in most accounts of World War II.

Before the war, Stalin became very afraid that it was Chamberlain's intent, when Germany invaded Poland, to abrogate its mutual defense pact with Poland, and leave the Soviets to fight Germany alone, and then when they had mauled each other, come into the war with France and be on the winning side at minimum cost to themselves, and major cost to the Soviet Union. It was hardly unreasonable for Stalin to suspect that, after the treachery which Chamberlain showed toward Czechoslovakia, and as we now know, it certainly was in the minds of Conservative party leaders at the time.

Well, Stalin tried to reach an understanding with Chamberlain on this issue, both by a number of diplomatic letters and through direct ambassadorial contact. In every attempt, not only would Chamberlain not offer any guarantee that England would keep its pact with Poland, but he refused to answer Stalin in any way.

Stalin realized that the Soviet Union was in no position to stand up to the newly constructed German military in 1939, so he entered into this agreement with Germany, not because he was their friend, but to buy time. And what did he do with the time he gained by this action?

In 1939, virtually the entire Soviet industrial base was in the west of the country, in the Ukraine and surrounding areas. In two years, in a massive effort, Stalin uprooted the entire thing, and moved it to new cities east of the Urals, out of the reach of German bombers.

Stalin knew perfectly well that Hitler would turn his back on the nonaggression pact the minute it suited his purpose; which of course Hitler did. But by the time he did it, Stalin had guaranteed the Soviet Union a continuous, massive supply of military hardware, for the entire war. It was this strategy that, as much as any other factor, that resulted in the Russian victories at Stalingrad and Kursk, and the Allied defeat of Germany.

As I have discussed in some comments above, it was the strategy of Western anti-Communists after World War II to demonize everything about the Soviet Union. Just one part of this was representing this highly successful, and in fact vital, action of Stalin as some sort of monstrous betrayal.

JRK said...

Green Eagle, I had relatives who lived in what is now Israel, too. They did not, however, make it to the 500s BCE, since, being Jebusites, they were all killed in pogroms by people like your relatives. We all have our grievances.

"See, racism is totally something the Jews do."

Can you find a declaration of genocide prior to this Torah passage?

Deuteronomy 20:10-18

"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destro them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God."

Gabija said...

"Stalin realized that the Soviet Union was in no position to stand up to the newly constructed German military in 1939, so he entered into this agreement with Germany, not because he was their friend, but to buy time. And what did he do with the time he gained by this action?"

He invaded and conquered my homeland of Lithuania, as well as Estonia and Latvia, and half of Poland. He also tried to conquer Finland. And he used that pact to keep control of my country after World War II. That's part of what Molotov-Ribbentrop means to me.

How did these invasions help the Soviet Union? How did the Russo-Finnish winter war help the USSR?

Green Eagle said...

Okay, here we go. I hate having to deal with this sort of bullshit, but I guess it's either that or not publish these mindless comments altogether.

JRK, there is not a person on earth who can trace their lineage back to the Jebusites. Yes, a small number of "Palestinians" claim to be descended from the Jebusites, but no reasonable person regards that as anything but propaganda to try to make a claim on the land.

Now, as far as genocide goes, I don't give a damn what the Bible says, but we know of numerous acts of what would be called genocide and attempted genocide in the Middle East going back to long before 3000 BC, or at least a millennium and a half before the Jews existed. Your attempt to pin the creation of genocide on Jews is both a pathetic act of an uninformed and ignorant person, as well as a disgusting example of Jew-hatred. So, I guess we know what a malignant subhuman you are.

Gabija, once again, you ignore what I actually said and accuse me of things I never said. I am utterly uninterested in your meaningless questions. Until you can address what I actually said and not accuse me of views I do not hold, I will continue to view you as both a stupid and malicious person.

Magpie said...

Is there a problem that people have with staying on subject that only occurs when talking about white supremacists?

Not the neo-Nazis nor the KKK nor the allied white supremacist scum in Charlottesville had anything to say about Stalin. They were celebrating Hitler on the streets of America.

Now Green Eagle comes and points out how evil the Nazis were, but somehow he is obliged to mention Stalin. Somehow he is obliged to nuance the death of a woman under a car driven by a neo-Nazi in America just a few days ago... within a context of people talking about the Old Testament.

And it's kind of illustrative... because absolutely nothing Donald Trump has had to say about anything, no matter how serious, no matter how many millions of lives are at stake, has contained any attempt at nuance at all.... till THIS happened, and somehow he feels NOW is the time to parse things. Somehow NOW is the time to talk the situation around on many angles. Somehow a clear act of domestic terrorism is... well... sort of the fault of the intended victims, men and women of America opposing the same forces their grandparents fought a war to help defeat.

A woman died, we know how she died, and we know who was responsible, and what they want. It doesn't get clearer than this.

But no... Bohdana has to talk about Stalin... because y'know... fuck that poor woman in Charlottesville and her grieving family... who Bohdana doesn't like is WAY more important than them. And JRK has to talk about something that is alleged to have happened 2500 years ago. Pathetic losers mourning a war lost 152 years ago should seem almost sane by comparison... except it isn't.

Green Eagle said...

Yeah, pretty amazing, huh, Magpie? Not only obsessing on Stalin, but deliberately misrepresenting what I had to say about him. I guess this is the ultimate form of both-siderism. And finding a way to blame it all on the Jews- a Nazi oldie but goodie if I've ever seen one.

And I thought I was being polite not to point out how many people in Lithuania supported the Nazis, which I guess was a viable alternative to supporting the Soviet Union in Gabija's opinion. A sample of the available information on the subject: