Tuesday, July 22, 2014

It's All Israeli Lies and Propaganda

Every time we hear the claim that Palestinians use their own civilians as sacrificial victims to prevent Israelis from fighting back against them without the inevitable worldwide condemnation, the claims pour in that it is nothing but lying Israeli propaganda.

Well, this statement, from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, should put an end to that:

"Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip. As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises, and so we are unable to confirm the precise number of rockets. The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.

The Agency immediately informed the relevant parties and is pursuing all possible measures for the removal of the objects in order to preserve the safety and security of the school. UNRWA will launch a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding this incident.

UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law."

This was the second time in recent days that the UNRWA has found Hamas missiles stored in their currently unused buildings.  And this comes from an organization with a notorious history of pro-Palestinian leanings.

In light of this, every denial from Hamas that they are not deliberately endangering their own people to extract propaganda value from their suffering must be proven in detail; otherwise these claims should be disregarded.

It is far past time for people to face who is really imposing disaster on Palestinian civilians.

12 comments:

Infidel753 said...

To say nothing of the fact that this whole operation wouldn't be happening at all if Hamas hadn't insisted on firing rockets at Israel in the first place.

"UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation" -- I wonder why they don't just name Hamas? It's not like there's any mystery about who's storing weapons inn schools.

But this news item will merit only the barest pause, if that, in the Israel-bashing now metastasizing all over the blogosphere. It's just surreal -- except in the case of Andrew Sullivan, who's sanctimonious enough about it to be nauseating.

Magpie said...

Israel is not a religious dictatorship or a consensus of religious loons. Even Israel haters would recognise that Israel acts in logic-based self-interest.
The Israeli military are very competent, very disciplined and well equipped. They have to be.
Therefore civilian casualties of such frequency can only be explained by a calculation on someone else’s part, because the outcome to Israel is all negative. They have no reason to do it. There is no advantage and they take heat for it.

Maybe those who think Israel just kills non-combatants out of malice or arrogance and then gives the world the finger... are projecting their own self-perception of inviolable power. And their own malice.

Sam240 said...

1) Uh ... did you miss the part where it said the school was vacant? As in no civilians present, and thus no human shields? If you're going to excuse Israeli attacks on nuclear reactors on the grounds that they weren't active, fairness demands that you give whoever put the rockets there a pass on the grounds that there were no people there. (Putting rockets in vacant buildings is illegal, just like bombing a inactive nuclear reactor is illegal, but you had no problems when Israel did the latter. I have problems with both.)

2) Furthermore, UNRWA didn't say they were Hamas missiles. We don't know if the missiles were placed there by a lone wolf, and we know that there have been lone wolves active on both sides.

3) The Israeli government has a history of using children as human shields:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

"Almost all those using children as HUMAN shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted."

"It is far past time for people to face who is really imposing disaster on Palestinian civilians." - Green Eagle

Namely, an Israeli government that uses Palestinian children as human shields and has kept the West Bank and Gaza under a military occupation for the past 47 years. There would be no rockets fired at Israel if there hadn't been an occupation in the first place.

Green Eagle said...

Sam, as you know perfectly well, the school was directly between two other schools which were also not operating because they were filled with 1500 refugees. You didn't mention that because you are not an honest person; nor did you mention that the building was still a school, not an armory. Storing weapons like that in civilian buildings is still a war crime.

Green Eagle said...

And let me continue with your disingenuous comments:

"Namely, an Israeli government that uses Palestinian children as human shields..."

You know perfectly well that this is false and that it is Hamas and before them the PLO that had a long history of this sort of abominable behavior. These two incidents are perfect examples of this behavior, but rather than face up to the true nature of the genocidal terrorists in Hamas, you just blame their victim.

"...and has kept the West Bank and Gaza under a military occupation for the past 47 years."

There is no Israeli military occupation of Gaza, another lie you have told despite knowing perfectly well what the truth is.

"There would be no rockets fired at Israel if there hadn't been an occupation in the first place."

And the problem with this idiocy is that you know perfectly well that in the eyes of Hamas, the presence of one Jew in all of Israel is an occupation. What you are really saying is that Hamas would fire no rockets if the Jews would just all leave Israel. That is ethnic cleansing, which along with genocide makes up pretty much the whole thrust of Hamas policy.

And yet, your hatred of Jews is so great that you have taken the side of these people who don't care who they kill, Jew or Arab.

St. Joan said...

I'm going to sat something on Facebook. I'm tired of hiding.

Anonymous said...

Am I missing something here,I don't recall all this support of Israel say like 6 years ago.
What changed?
Don't answer that

Magpie said...

"Don't answer that"

Well I will anyway. I don't think support or criticism of Israel, valid or not, runs to US election cycles, if that's what you mean.

Sam240 said...



"Storing weapons like that in civilian buildings is still a war crime." I said putting the rockets in a vacant school is illegal. Furthermore, you said earlier that Israel's bombing of inactive nuclear reactors was perfectly acceptable, even though it is also an illegal war crime. I specifically said, Putting rockets in vacant buildings is illegal, just like bombing a inactive nuclear reactor is illegal.

If you excuse the bombing of nuclear reactors on the grounds of "well, it isn't active, so it really isn't a crime," I don't see how you can consistently say, "well, even though nobody's in the school, it's still a crime."

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"You know perfectly well that this [Israel using Palestinian children as human shields] is false."

Look at the link -- it's to Reuters, which you consider a reliable source. Reuters is also quoting a United Nations report. If the UN was lying then, why accept its word now? You are operating according to a double standard.

"There is no Israeli military occupation of Gaza." Another lie. The United States says that there is no Palestinian state, and Israel says that there is no Palestinian state. If you insist on disagreeing with them, I have one question: When did Palestine become an independent state?

If there is no independent Palestinian state, then I can only conclude that someone is occupying it, and that someone must be Israel.

"you know perfectly well that in the eyes of Hamas, the presence of one Jew in all of Israel is an occupation." - Provide a quote! I know perfectly well that, for the past eight years, Hamas has been willing to accept the 1967 borders, mainly because that's what the Israeli media has been reporting. I did a google search for Hamas, 1967, and borders, finding the following.

Here's Ynet news, an Israeli source, saying in 2006 that Hamas would accept an Israeli state within the 1967 borders:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

Here's Haaretz in 2008 saying that Hamas would accept the 1967 borders:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915

And here's the Jerusalem Post, in 2012, saying that Hamas would accept the 1967 borders:

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Mashaal-I-accept-a-Palestinian-state-on-67-borders

Finally, here's the Times of Israel in March 2014, saying that Hamas would accept the 1967 borders:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-would-accept-peace-with-israel-west-bank-leader-says/

But you don't care what the Israeli media says when it conflicts with your bigoted anti-Arab racist fantasies.

Green Eagle said...

Sam, you moron, read the fucking Hamas covenant already.

Anonymous said...

Sam even Pelosi said those rockets from Hamas have a return addres.
Queen Nancy was defending Israel

Anonymous said...

For you Sam
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/161998-son-hamas-founder-speaks-defected-hamas-planning/