tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post661613877077630414..comments2024-03-19T15:24:48.864-07:00Comments on Green Eagle: Forgotten Heroes of Conservatism- Chapter Three: Gerald L. K. SmithGreen Eaglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-27037331529008444632018-03-24T08:32:29.117-07:002018-03-24T08:32:29.117-07:00Three Things:
1) My last name is not Waller.
2) ...Three Things:<br /><br />1) My last name is not Waller.<br /><br />2) This version of Christianity certainly affected me - I wanted to throw up.<br /><br />3) Does the SPIRIT Waller refers to come from a liquor store?Sam240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-66556379520232758482018-03-22T20:26:26.393-07:002018-03-22T20:26:26.393-07:00I recall when the Country Club Republicans decided...I recall when the Country Club Republicans decided to go into business with the evangelicals - the Country Clubbers thought they could use the evangelicals as foot soldiers without giving them any real power in the party. Kind of like how the young lady from Niger felt about going for a ride on a tiger...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-62138556619846076022018-03-21T22:19:13.135-07:002018-03-21T22:19:13.135-07:00Professor, thanks for that remark. My whole point...Professor, thanks for that remark. My whole point in writing this series is to make just that point- that what has happened to the country at the hands of Conservatives is not a product of Trump, or even Reagan- they may be slicker than people were in the past, but the same things that are so deplorable about them existed decades ago.<br /><br />Zog, I want to say that I am very familiar with the tracing of the Evangelical movement back to the 1730's, but it is my belief that under whatever name, it has existed at least since shortly after Henry VIII broke the Anglican Church off from Catholicism. Almost immediately a rigid form of Christian doctrine manifested itself. It is this doctrine which was responsible for Cromwell, and for the even more extreme Christian elements who were so intolerant of other viewpoints that they left England altogether, to come to the United States. Green Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-87350861004290664292018-03-21T13:41:38.604-07:002018-03-21T13:41:38.604-07:00Geez, he could give that identic speech at C-PAC a...Geez, he could give that identic speech at C-PAC and fit right in.Professor Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07983291640844939759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-77504080654911866802018-03-21T13:19:17.461-07:002018-03-21T13:19:17.461-07:00Green Eagle - Most historians of evangelical Chris...Green Eagle - Most historians of evangelical Christianity trace its origins back to the 1730s, originating in both Great Britain and New England. The Puritan movement, which led to the English Civil War and Cromwell, was one of its forerunners. The wikipedia page on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism" rel="nofollow">Evangelicalism</a> provides a good introduction.<br /><br />The four beliefs listed under characteristics - conversionism, biblicism, crucicentrism, and activism - form the Bebbington quadrilateral, which is the primary framework used for academic studies of evangelicalism. None of these beliefs necessarily lead to a particular political position.<br /><br /><br />" I don't know what kind of desperation drove a number of black Christians to align themselves with this movement"<br /><br />Look back to the 1730s and 1740s. Some major figures of the movement, including Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield, owned other human beings. That warped their theology - while they said men were spiritually equal, they also built their beliefs around white supremacy.<br /><br />White evangelicals would have imposed their beliefs on their slaves. The "spiritually equal" part was attractive to Blacks. The white supremacy, not so much. Black evangelicalism was opposed to slavery, and thus contained a social justice component from the beginning.<br /><br />This brings us back to Rev. William J. Barber II. He is, as he says, an evangelical. He was also president of the NAACP's North Carolina chapter for the past decade, and the Moral Mondays/Forward Together movement he established is opposed to pretty much everything the Republican Party stands for.<br /><br />Hence, I use the labels "black" and "white." (Thanks to Fred Clark at <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/" rel="nofollow">Slacktivist</a> to helping me see this.)<br />Zognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-77099972740365184902018-03-20T23:15:35.252-07:002018-03-20T23:15:35.252-07:00I see evangelical Christianity as something that o...I see evangelical Christianity as something that originated in England, and led to the English Civil War and the dictatorship of Cromwell. So it is by definition very largely a white phenomenon. I don't know what kind of desperation drove a number of black Christians to align themselves with this movement, but to me it was always primarily a white thing.<br /><br />And can I just say, Sam, I clicked on your link. It leads to one of the most abominable misuses of the human voice I have ever heard. I recommend that everyone give it a try.<br /><br />As for the comparison with Hitler, the next part in this series features a video comparison of Father Charles Coughlin speaking, and Hitler. I think the comparison there is even more frightening.Green Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-79673790177421472232018-03-20T19:38:12.699-07:002018-03-20T19:38:12.699-07:00Watching the clip, I immediately thought Smith'...Watching the clip, I immediately thought Smith's speaking style was just like Hitler's, even not having looked down to see you make the same observation. These shitheads have always claimed to be super-patriots while taking inspiration from foreign sources, whether Hitler back then or Putin today.<br /><br /><i>standard American Conservatism actually grew out of Evangelical Christianity and has been manipulated by it, not the other way around.</i><br /><br />I've always thought this. It's basically a theocratic movement, and Christian supremacism has been a core part of it going back to the KKK.<br /><br />I've seen that photo of Smith and Doman looking at the first issue. Of course the same kind of stuff is still being posted on dark corners of the internet.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-14354777956646637392018-03-20T19:10:57.775-07:002018-03-20T19:10:57.775-07:00Open up your heart and let the SPIRIT in!
Listen ...Open up your heart and let the SPIRIT in!<br /><br />Listen to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2OHqrZqExY" rel="nofollow">the music</a> and experience the feelings it brings. Learn how Christianity can affect you.Sam Wellernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-19210371641603005222018-03-20T16:59:05.696-07:002018-03-20T16:59:05.696-07:00"At the risk of being repetitive, let me poin..."At the risk of being repetitive, let me point out that this loathsome political movement grew out of Evangelical Christianity. It was Evangelical Christianity that manipulated the Republicans into becoming the party of hate, not the Republicans who manipulated Evangelicals into becoming a religion of hate."<br /><br />You mean <i>white</i> Evangelical Christianity.<br /><br /><br />"I’m an evangelical and stand with many other evangelical who do not believe policies that divide, destroy and have a disdain for the least of these is evangelical." - <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article43492335.html" rel="nofollow">Rev. William J. Barber II</a>, one leader of the Moral Monday movement.<br /><br />Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article43492335.html#storylink=cpy"Zognoreply@blogger.com