tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post1310588931246020014..comments2024-03-19T15:24:48.864-07:00Comments on Green Eagle: They Hate Us For Our FreedomGreen Eaglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-69935911264661538672014-09-12T15:50:55.201-07:002014-09-12T15:50:55.201-07:00As I have mentioned before, my number one recommen...As I have mentioned before, my number one recommendation is "Innocents Abroad," written in the late 1860's by a person with no reason to favor either side, Mark Twain. He describes his time in the Middle East and relates what was there in some detail. He describes (at least in the area now occupied by Israel) a land that was largely, but not entirely depopulated, with Arab settlements that had been there for some time, but also with Jews who had managed to return there despite the opposition of the Ottoman government. I think this easy read is a good starting point to sorting out what has really gone on there.<br /><br />By the way, Meir Kahane was an extremely evil person, and the minute you mention him positively, decent people pretty well tune out. Green Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-90783598135566494602014-09-12T15:28:45.335-07:002014-09-12T15:28:45.335-07:00What books do you recommend?
The late Meir Kahane...What books do you recommend?<br /><br />The late Meir Kahane was the best. 99.99% of Arabs hate Israel, and 99.99% of Arabs will always hate Israel. The only way for Israel to survive is to:<br /><br />a) Annex the West Bank and Gaza, in order to provide enough land to protect itself, and<br />b) Expel the Arabs, or, at the very minimum, keep the majority of them without political rights.<br /><br />If you grant the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza rights, they will join with the ones in Israel and immediately vote for a second Holocaust, turning my home into a death trap.<br /><br />Israeli leaders recognize this truth.<br /><br />Here's Knesset deputy speaker Moshe Feiglin's seven-part plan: Ultimatum, Attack, Siege, Defense, Conquer, Eliminate, Sovereignty.<br /><br />http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.VBNqeOfQcWg<br /><br />He wants to conquer Gaza and remove most of the Arabs there. Is he wrong? No. He's come to realize that Kahane's program is right.<br /><br />Here's another MK, Ayelet Shaked, quoting the late Uri Elitzur, one of Netanyahu's speechwriters.<br /><br />“All are enemy combatants, and all have blood on their heads. Now it also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They need to follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They need to go, as does the physical home in which they raised the snake. Otherwise, they’ll raise more little snakes there.”<br /><br />Describes Gaza perfectly.<br /><br />My cousin told me to look at them, and I don't see what the problem is. I think I'd fit in perfectly well in a country where Feiglin and Shaked and Elitzur are leaders.<br /><br />But if you have recommendations, I could give them a try. She told me to look at your website. That's the only smart thing she's done.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Levnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-16095410038297070312014-09-12T11:13:15.311-07:002014-09-12T11:13:15.311-07:00Well, let's try to sort this out.
"f som...Well, let's try to sort this out.<br /><br />"f someone starts a war against you, and you occupy land in the process of defeating them, you should get to keep that land."<br /><br />In some cases, land transfer is acceptable. I will note that the German lands given up after World Wars I and II (Alsace, the Sudetenland, etc.) were taken by Germans, Alsace Lorraine in the Franco-Prussian war, and the Sudetenland earlier in World War II. In neither case was Germany stripped of land it hadn't taken by hostility. This would apply to the West Bank, which was taken by Jordan in 1948, and was never a legitimate part of Jordan.<br /><br />Now, in regard to your comments about Rome: Let us remember that the country we know today as Italy has (as has Germany) a unified existence going back no farther than 1870 or so. Even then, the borders were flexible, as exemplified by the transfer of the area around Nice to France in exchange for land in Piedmont, and French support of Italian unification. In both the Italian and German cases, this unification was the product of popular sentiment, not military conquest, and therefore was legitimate. <br /><br />I never, ever said all Arabs are nomads. That is clearly not true. And if Arabs "drove out the people of North Africa" it was long before, say, Europeans drove out the indigenous people of North America. To justify colonialist butchery on that ground is malicious in the extreme.<br /><br />"A man can have several sons, and they all get to be heirs." Not in countries that practice primogeniture. Even that assertion of yours is way off the mark. Where money is split up, note that titles go to the eldest son only. Not all of the sons of a Duke get to be a Duke.<br /><br />" Israel's my home, and I'm going to live there someday." Well, I have lived there, and I do not think that a person with your attitudes is going to be an asset to them. And finally, I will accept your self-categorization as smart, but this isn't about being smart. The disinformation surrounding Israel outweighs the truth by about a thousand to one, and it is a very long task to learn to sort one from the other. I've been the victim of various delusions, such as the notion that all of the Arabs who left Israel in 1948 did so of their own free will, which I was taught when I was young, or that Arabs face no discrimination in Israel. Yes, the preposterous lies on the other side are far greater, but to achieve any real knowledge of the Middle East is a long process.Green Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-16490606351882763842014-09-12T03:34:07.759-07:002014-09-12T03:34:07.759-07:00“Hannibal attacked Rome with elephants, so Rome ha...“Hannibal attacked Rome with elephants, so Rome had the right to take over Carthage”<br /><br />Hilarious. Do you think he flew elephants into the seven hills? Hannibal was actually active in the second Punic War. Rome had already won the first one, which was over their assistance to Italian mercenaries who had hijacked a city in Sicily. He died decades before the Third Punic War in which Carthage was finally conquered by Rome. Had he still been alive he would have been about 100 years old.<br />By the way, if you attack me with your poodle do I get to keep your house?<br /><br />“French is descended from Latin, so they are the heirs of the Romans, so they were only getting back what is theirs when they went into Algeria”<br /><br />Most European languages have borrowings from Latin. Are you saying Rome should be in France instead of Italy?<br />Rome conquered much of western Europe, including the southern half of Britain. Does that all belong to France too?<br /><br />This is not a computer game.<br /><br />I had wondered if you were being farcical and just sock-puppeting. Do you really believe what you write?<br />Magpiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423673258718941141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-62775061463572851872014-09-11T19:28:16.447-07:002014-09-11T19:28:16.447-07:00"Throughout the Middle East there were settle..."Throughout the Middle East there were settled Arab communities like Beirut, Damascus, Jaffa, Akko, and on and on, many in existence when Europe itself was still largely inhabited by nomads. "<br /><br />Damascus has been around for thousands of years. When it was established, the Arabs were still wandering around the desert.<br /><br />"perhaps you have forgotten about Carthage, which was a great city before France existed. Human settlement in Algeria goes back well into the neolithic age."<br /><br />Carthage was established by the Phoenicians, not the Arabs who were desert nomads then. Then the Romans took over after a war of aggression. Hannibal attacked Rome with elephants, so Rome had the right to take over Carthage, like Poland had the right to take over Silesia after World War II.<br /><br />French is descended from Latin, so they are the heirs of the Romans, so they were only getting back what is theirs when they went into Algeria.<br /><br />" The indigenous people of that area have immense reasons to be suspicious and hostile toward us, and our refusal to recognize that fact is a huge factor in the hostility which they have toward us today."<br /><br />The Arabs aren't from Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, and especially not "Palestine". They were roaming around the Arabian peninsula's desert until the 600s, until Mohammed the murderer organized his barbarian hordes. They arrived in Iraq and Egypt and Algeria and Spain, killed the people who were already there, and stole what was left. The Spaniards drove them out of Spain, and we ought to drive the Arabs out of Egypt and return it to the Copts, who owned.<br /><br />You didn't mention a single Arabian country like Saudi Arabia and Oman. The Arabs in all the countries you mentioned are there because they stole it from their real owners.<br /><br />You knew all this when you talked about Israel, which was good. Why do you deny it now?<br />Levnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-31722609683961534322014-09-11T11:58:37.310-07:002014-09-11T11:58:37.310-07:00Point Number 1.
"Let me remind you that thro...Point Number 1.<br /><br />"Let me remind you that throughout the history of civilization, nomadic people have not been recognized to have ownership of the land over which they pass. And that includes all Arabs."<br /><br />Is the person who originally said that a great thinker, or is that person an anti-Arab bigot?<br /><br />Point Number 2.<br /><br />Carthage is in modern-day Tunisia.Zog IInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-16703569458711122792014-09-11T10:44:46.033-07:002014-09-11T10:44:46.033-07:00Lev, I must say I am really stunned by your commen...Lev, I must say I am really stunned by your comments.<br /><br />Let's go through your arguments:<br />All Arabs are not nomads. Throughout the Middle East there were settled Arab communities like Beirut, Damascus, Jaffa, Akko, and on and on, many in existence when Europe itself was still largely inhabited by nomads. You must be aware of this, so I have to chalk your remark up as sheer propaganda without regard to the truth. The Ottoman Empire was known for keeping detailed records of property ownership throughout its territories, for tax purposes, so it cannot even be said that it was unclear who owned the land. Yes, for hundreds of years, Jews were not permitted to own land, but that does not change the fact that settled Arab communities existed.<br /><br />If the land of Israel belongs to the Jews, that does not mean that Arabs do not have the right to live there, as close to two million of them do, as full Israeli citizens.<br /><br /><br />France did not "settle" Algeria. Algiers has a long history, and perhaps you have forgotten about Carthage, which was a great city before France existed. Human settlement in Algeria goes back well into the neolithic age.<br /><br />I did not describe "the coastal strip between the sea and Jordan," I quoted someone who did, and if you think that area did not have a previous existence as a vilayet of the Ottoman Empire, you need to learn some history.<br /><br />I am particularly appalled that you could just block out the entire content and thrust of my post- that there is an almost endless history of Middle Eastern and North African areas being conquered and used for their own advantages by Europeans and Americans. The indigenous people of that area have immense reasons to be suspicious and hostile toward us, and our refusal to recognize that fact is a huge factor in the hostility which they have toward us today.<br /><br />And finally, let's dispense with your inevitable gratuitous reference to Hitler. Arabs sided with Germany in World War I and World War II. This is not because they knew any more about Nazis than the average American knew about Sunnis and Shias before 9-11. What they did know about was their long depradation by England and France, so naturally they tended to side with the enemy of England and France, in much the same ignorant manner that the United States has used to pick its friends in the Middle East.Green Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-9191560507201721452014-09-11T08:48:36.104-07:002014-09-11T08:48:36.104-07:00They don't hate us because we interfere with t...They don't hate us because we interfere with their lands. They hate us because we're pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, and because they're a bunch of murderous racists.<br /><br />Hitler interfered in the Arab lands, just like England and France. The Nazi armies went into Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and part of Egypt. You say they should hate Hitler because of this. But the Arabs adore Hitler, because he killed more Jews than those stupid Muslims could ever dream of.<br /><br />That's why they hate us. It's not because of military actions. It's because they're anti-Semitic bigots.Levnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-26713372308391337422014-09-11T08:44:00.485-07:002014-09-11T08:44:00.485-07:00None of the land belongs to the Arabs, especially ...None of the land belongs to the Arabs, especially not "Palestine."<br /><br />Algeria should belong to the French, as they settled it. As someone once said, "let me remind you that throughout the history of civilization, nomadic people have not been recognized to have ownership of the land over which they pass. And that includes all Arabs." The Arabs have no claim to Algeria, for they were just passing through.<br /><br />They have no claim to the areas occupied by Europeans, for they were just passing through. All Arabs are nomads.<br /><br />And they especially have no right to the Land of Israel, for the land belongs to the Jews.<br /><br />When you describe the "coastal strip between the sea and the River Jordan" as an "Arab province," you're saying that Israel properly belongs to the Arabs, and you sound just like stupid Sam.<br /><br />Are you trying to be an anti-Semite?Levnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1903235483068862940.post-37620249324534085402014-09-11T02:57:14.587-07:002014-09-11T02:57:14.587-07:00“As a condition for restoring the Anglo-Iranian Oi...“As a condition for restoring the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company... five American petroleum companies, Royal Dutch Shell, and the Compagnie Française des Pétroles, were to draw Iran's petroleum after the successful coup d'état—Operation Ajax.”<br /><br />THAT example, at the very least... should be discussed in all its implications and consequences at some point in every high school.Magpiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423673258718941141noreply@blogger.com